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	<title>Comments on: Why use WPF if it is not RAD yet?</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mathew Tonsager</title>
		<link>http://joshsmithonwpf.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/why-use-wpf-if-it-is-not-rad-yet/#comment-11147</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew Tonsager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Josh,

I have been working with WPF, Blend 2 and VS2008 for the last month and found it to be fairly easy to learn. I really like your articles including the ones in CodeProject. They have helped immensely. Once you get comfortable with these technologies you can develop some really amazing apps easily. 

I have become an evangelist of sorts trying to get my company to start changing over to WPF.  We mainly use windows apps and some asp.net as well, and everything runs on Microsoft OS.  

However, there are some drawbacks using WPF with Blend 2 being a separate designer and not supporting VSS like VS2008 does. There is no DataGrid control, but 2 companies that I know of create a "Free" version of this grid, one of which you work for. Another is the animation and 3D graphics are awesome, but they are a huge performance drain on the hardware. 

Do you notice any other big performance issues or other show stoppers like this since you have been working with WPF? 

Thanks Josh for all of your hard work!!

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Josh,</p>
<p>I have been working with WPF, Blend 2 and VS2008 for the last month and found it to be fairly easy to learn. I really like your articles including the ones in CodeProject. They have helped immensely. Once you get comfortable with these technologies you can develop some really amazing apps easily. </p>
<p>I have become an evangelist of sorts trying to get my company to start changing over to WPF.  We mainly use windows apps and some asp.net as well, and everything runs on Microsoft OS.  </p>
<p>However, there are some drawbacks using WPF with Blend 2 being a separate designer and not supporting VSS like VS2008 does. There is no DataGrid control, but 2 companies that I know of create a &#8220;Free&#8221; version of this grid, one of which you work for. Another is the animation and 3D graphics are awesome, but they are a huge performance drain on the hardware. </p>
<p>Do you notice any other big performance issues or other show stoppers like this since you have been working with WPF? </p>
<p>Thanks Josh for all of your hard work!!</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Smith</title>
		<link>http://joshsmithonwpf.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/why-use-wpf-if-it-is-not-rad-yet/#comment-10812</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 18:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great feedback!  Thanks Gary.

Josh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great feedback!  Thanks Gary.</p>
<p>Josh</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Hanson</title>
		<link>http://joshsmithonwpf.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/why-use-wpf-if-it-is-not-rad-yet/#comment-10810</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 18:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got into WPF because of Silverlight. I always liked the WPF concept, but I work by myself now, and from long experience I know I'm not much of a designer. But I was an early Mac developer (refused to touch DOS), and then spent 14 years in Silicon Valley working for companies with great UI and UX (Apple, Adobe and Intuit). I really don't use Cider that much. Blend is an awesome tool (still using free trials). Between that and the great support on the web from you, and, among others, several people who have already replied to this post, it is possible to produce much better UI than I ever thought that I could.

I have already started doing  a new desktop project in WPF. And definitely Silverlight on the web. I also wanted to rewrite my existing apps in WPF. But most of them use SQL Server CE and SQL Server Reporting Services (there are times that you just need to dump a lot of data). Unfortunately the new Client Distribution in SP1 doesn't support WindowsClientIntegration. And the only way that I know of to do the reports in WPF is through WindowsFormsHost. I think the same is probably true for Crystal Reports. So, those of us with existing apps using reporting have the choice of using WPF or having a smaller download for customers (much less pain, and excellent selling point - which is why they made the client redist) and staying in Windows Forms.

But definitely WPF and Silverlight for the future. Great stuff!

-Gary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got into WPF because of Silverlight. I always liked the WPF concept, but I work by myself now, and from long experience I know I&#8217;m not much of a designer. But I was an early Mac developer (refused to touch DOS), and then spent 14 years in Silicon Valley working for companies with great UI and UX (Apple, Adobe and Intuit). I really don&#8217;t use Cider that much. Blend is an awesome tool (still using free trials). Between that and the great support on the web from you, and, among others, several people who have already replied to this post, it is possible to produce much better UI than I ever thought that I could.</p>
<p>I have already started doing  a new desktop project in WPF. And definitely Silverlight on the web. I also wanted to rewrite my existing apps in WPF. But most of them use SQL Server CE and SQL Server Reporting Services (there are times that you just need to dump a lot of data). Unfortunately the new Client Distribution in SP1 doesn&#8217;t support WindowsClientIntegration. And the only way that I know of to do the reports in WPF is through WindowsFormsHost. I think the same is probably true for Crystal Reports. So, those of us with existing apps using reporting have the choice of using WPF or having a smaller download for customers (much less pain, and excellent selling point - which is why they made the client redist) and staying in Windows Forms.</p>
<p>But definitely WPF and Silverlight for the future. Great stuff!</p>
<p>-Gary</p>
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		<title>By: Where you go to when if want to learn how to develop using WPF &#171; My Software Studio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Where you go to when if want to learn how to develop using WPF &#171; My Software Studio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Smith explained this point eloquently in his article &#8220;Why use WPF if it is not RAD yet&#8221; by stating:  For those of us who approach WPF with a strong background in Windows Forms, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Smith explained this point eloquently in his article &#8220;Why use WPF if it is not RAD yet&#8221; by stating:  For those of us who approach WPF with a strong background in Windows Forms, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Lacroix</title>
		<link>http://joshsmithonwpf.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/why-use-wpf-if-it-is-not-rad-yet/#comment-10667</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Lacroix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Josh, 

Could you send me out an e-mail I'm working on a big project and I would like to get some feed back from you from moving from Visual inheritance to component agregation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Josh, </p>
<p>Could you send me out an e-mail I&#8217;m working on a big project and I would like to get some feed back from you from moving from Visual inheritance to component agregation.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Smith</title>
		<link>http://joshsmithonwpf.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/why-use-wpf-if-it-is-not-rad-yet/#comment-10651</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim,

I was only joking about advertising.  Keep in mind that I work for Infragistics now, so there would definitely be a conflict of interest if I were to host your ad on my blog.

Josh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p>I was only joking about advertising.  Keep in mind that I work for Infragistics now, so there would definitely be a conflict of interest if I were to host your ad on my blog.</p>
<p>Josh</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Dawson</title>
		<link>http://joshsmithonwpf.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/why-use-wpf-if-it-is-not-rad-yet/#comment-10650</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh,

I can't find any contact information for you here. We are willing to talk with you about advertising. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t find any contact information for you here. We are willing to talk with you about advertising. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Josh Smith</title>
		<link>http://joshsmithonwpf.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/why-use-wpf-if-it-is-not-rad-yet/#comment-10649</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim,

Thanks for the feedback, but I must disagree with your point.  Just because Cider has the potential for RAD doesn't mean that it, Cider, currently makes it possible. 

Josh

P.S. I typically charge people for *advertising* on my blog. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim,</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback, but I must disagree with your point.  Just because Cider has the potential for RAD doesn&#8217;t mean that it, Cider, currently makes it possible. </p>
<p>Josh</p>
<p>P.S. I typically charge people for *advertising* on my blog. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Dawson</title>
		<link>http://joshsmithonwpf.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/why-use-wpf-if-it-is-not-rad-yet/#comment-10648</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Josh,

I saw you at the MVP summit but didn't get a chance to talk to you.

I don't really agree that WPF isn't RAD yet. The designer isn't as good as the 1.0 winforms designer was but it is fairly good. I run a control vendor company and our control offerings for WPF have awesome RAD designer support thanks to the APIs that Cider provides. In SP1 we'll see some basic improvements in the designer that should answer the problems that people most frequently run into in the RAD space too.

Tim Dawson
Divelements</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Josh,</p>
<p>I saw you at the MVP summit but didn&#8217;t get a chance to talk to you.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really agree that WPF isn&#8217;t RAD yet. The designer isn&#8217;t as good as the 1.0 winforms designer was but it is fairly good. I run a control vendor company and our control offerings for WPF have awesome RAD designer support thanks to the APIs that Cider provides. In SP1 we&#8217;ll see some basic improvements in the designer that should answer the problems that people most frequently run into in the RAD space too.</p>
<p>Tim Dawson<br />
Divelements</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh,

"Wouldn’t it be great if we could just do whatever we, the developers, wanted? If the customers don’t like it, that’s their problem!"

Get out of my dreams, lol :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,</p>
<p>&#8220;Wouldn’t it be great if we could just do whatever we, the developers, wanted? If the customers don’t like it, that’s their problem!&#8221;</p>
<p>Get out of my dreams, lol <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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